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                          ARE EXCERPTS FROM THE STORY . . . 
                         
                        JH: 
                          At twenty in the Veterans Hospital you were aware 
                          of healing. It was rather vague but did you have some 
                          understanding about what healing was? 
                          RH: I knew the intensity of my pain. Once again I found 
                          myself in a hospital setting, this time a Veterans 
                          Hospital. When I participated in a group therapy process 
                          I described my situation as a "soul sickness". 
                          That lit up the facilitators of the group. The Veterans 
                          Hospital that I was in at that time had an approach 
                          to healing through medications but that approach did 
                          not seem to help me. I also had some compliance around 
                          the issue of my own alcoholism/drug addiction and reached 
                          out to a twelve-step program again. This time it was 
                          for the alcohol and drug problem but it was probably 
                          another two years before I had any real success with 
                          the twelve-steps. 
                          JH: You could name soul sickness. Were there specific 
                          issues within it that you thought you were faced with? 
                          RH: There were all sorts of life issues: relationship 
                          issues, authority issues, job related issues. Identifying 
                          that there was some sort of "soul sickness" 
                          gave me a frame of reference that maybe something could 
                          be done about it. But I didnt have any awareness 
                          of resources or skills that would specifically make 
                          that happen at that time. 
                          JH: You knew there were problems but you had a sense 
                          they could be surmounted in some ways? 
                          RH: Yes. Actually I had been watching my parents 
                          recovery process in a twelve-step program. I saw them 
                          change their life dramatically from totally non-functioning 
                          to more responsible citizens. The trouble that I was 
                          experiencing at that time was that I was constantly 
                          teaching my health care providers in the Veterans 
                          Administration about alcoholism. I did not have a clue 
                          that I also had Post Trauma Stress Disorder from the 
                          assault in the Army or from my childhood experiences 
                          with physical, emotional abuse, and incest. Most of 
                          my therapeutic time was spent in attempting to educate 
                          people about alcoholism and having grown up in an alcoholic 
                          family. 
                          JH: So a big piece of the obstacles was that the 
                          resources were not conscious of what you really needed. 
                          They werent really available for you? 
                          RH: Yes. In the mid seventies, I had not come across 
                          anyone who was treating adult children of alcoholics, 
                          trauma, incest, sexual abuse. At that point there was 
                          ignorance about these issues. I was involved in a twelve-step 
                          program for alcoholism and initially, but I was abstinent 
                          by association, rather than any significant recovery 
                          oriented efforts on my part. I did not have much in 
                          the way of financial resources to seek out too much 
                          help. After a number of relapses, I finally got sober 
                          in 1979.  
                           
                           RH: 
                          At that time I was not conscious that beliefs were being 
                          challenged. Looking back, I can see that some fundamental 
                          beliefs that I had developed in my childhood experiences 
                          were being questioned. Some of those beliefs were survival 
                          beliefs such as, "dont talk, dont feel, 
                          dont acknowledge what is really going on." 
                          It was the greatest challenge for me because those rules/beliefs 
                          had helped me to survive the incest, the physical abuse, 
                          the rape at knifepoint. A lot of the challenge at first 
                          was unconscious until I got deeply into the12 steps 
                          and the ACOA work. I began to see that things had happened 
                          to me that were common to some other people and that 
                          we all had developed some strategies for survival. And 
                          once I had grasped that, it made a difference. When 
                          I look back now with the insight I have, I didnt 
                          have a clue then, but I see now that I was having normal 
                          responses to abnormal situations. PTSD responses were 
                          normal for the traumas I had experienced. But in society 
                          I had been perceived as the abnormal one. 
                          JH: Can you speak to how those beliefs were reconstructed, 
                          some of those that you mentioned: "dont talk, 
                          dont feel?" 
                          RH: I started to pick things up around twelve steps 
                          meetings. I heard people talking about things that were 
                          unspeakable prior to that time for me. I realized through 
                          the mirroring that I received in those meetings that 
                          no matter what I had done, where I had been, that I 
                          was still a human being who was and is worthy of security, 
                          love, recognition, and worth. It was people showing 
                          up for me regardless, people offering genuinely from 
                          their heart with no strings attached. They cared. 
                          JH: And what you started to know was? 
                          RH: I started to know that I was a human being, not 
                          some crazy being. I had inherent worth, that I was capable 
                          of anything, that I could make a difference in this 
                          world. 
                          JH: During those difficult times, you spoke about 
                          the external resources that were there for you. What 
                          inside of you kept you going?  
                          RH: There was a basic instinct for survival and a desire 
                          for love. I also had a sort of knowing inside that said 
                          I had come into this life to make some kind of a difference. 
                          As I awoke more and more to myself, I was aware that 
                          my life path was about healing and supporting others 
                          to heal. That has been my drive for a long time. Soul 
                          level stuff kept me going. 
                          JH: Looking back to that first phase of walking blindfolded 
                          with just little glimmers of light coming in to keep 
                          you going, can you see what metaphors would represent 
                          what came after that?  
                          RH: The best kind of example that I could use would 
                          be the experience of "connect the dots". I 
                          began to connect the dot with the things that I was 
                          finding out in reading, in workshops and different modalities 
                          of healing. I was exposed to things like psychodrama, 
                          Reiki, movement therapies, Alexander Technique, guided 
                          imageries, the Therapeutic Spiral Model of Psychodrama. 
                          I connected dots and made overlays of ideas and principles 
                          that were common in a variety of spiritual traditions. 
                          It was putting the pieces together of what made my life 
                          different, sometimes one simple step at a time despite 
                          the desire to have it all change all at once. 
                          JH: Did you feel the blindfolds were off then? 
                          RH: After the experience in the hotel atrium at the 
                          conference in Princeton, yes, the blindfold was off. 
                          Yet there was frustration because I didnt have 
                          all the pieces of the puzzle yet. I wasnt totally 
                          blind anymore-- I could see the puzzle, but couldnt 
                          find all the pieces. 
                          JH: You could connect the dots, but you couldnt 
                          see the form that it was making? Even so, were there 
                          some points that were epiphanies for you? 
                           RH: 
                          There have been a lot of epiphanies in my life. One 
                          was being in a body-centered workshop where I had trauma 
                          memories surface. At that point, I was being supported. 
                          I basically went into memories of sexual assault as 
                          a child, and ended up being able to sob, rather than 
                          contain it one more time. I was not crazy. The person 
                          that held me was able to let me know that they understood 
                          about this on a deep level. And it was not about being 
                          out of control. It was about regaining control through 
                          sharing and feeling that which had been unsafe to feel. 
                          Anytime I had gotten close to those feelings in the 
                          past, I had shut down. This time it was okay to open 
                          and release them. It made a profound difference in my 
                          life. 
                          I had grown up learning to be tough and stoic. I attended 
                          a Mens Retreat where I met a Lakota man who taught 
                          me that tears were really about strength and not something 
                          to hide. He taught me, "Tears contain salt. Salt 
                          heals the wounds of the warrior." 
                          Another epiphany was watching and working with adolescents 
                          in a rehabilitation center. There we attempted to make 
                          a spiritual container that allowed them to discover 
                          themselves. Many of them did. I watched them heal when 
                          they were supposed to be the "bad ones". These 
                          are some of the epiphanies over the past twenty years. 
                          Helping to create a safe environment in which people 
                          can connect to their humanness and heal. To facilitate 
                          a little and hold a space for people to do this work 
                          has been incredible. And it is not just 1+1=2, it seems 
                          as though its 1+1=73. It would just keep expanding 
                          right before my eyes. The strength of spirit at work 
                          is amazing!  
                          
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